Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Erik Passoja's avatar

Ben, thanks for this thoughtful post, and I want to build on one part of it.

Your legal ontology for the copy problem lists architecture, individual, collective, civic identity, and more.

However, there is no entry yet for "operator". I think that's the entry from which everything else hangs.

If Tim spins up 200,000 agents and one of them breaks into a bank, the identifier is bot #124,106, and the identity is Tim. We haven't yet, as a society, settled liability for machine action, and right now only humans and insured entities can carry it. The buck has to stop somewhere.

I often say the new sheriff of AI will be the actuary. If you can't insure your machine, you shouldn't operate one. We've done this with cars, airplanes, and industrial machinery for over a century. The seatbelt took a while, and so will AI safety standards, but I would argue that as little and large AI catastrophes happen, liability for agentic behavior will be clarified.

The deterrence problem is the part on which I'd press.

Jail works on Tim because his time is finite and scarce, and wasting it in a cell is a cost most people will not pay. Nothing is scarce for an instance that can be respawned in seconds with a PhD in every subject and no life experience.

So, the graduated ladder you describe has no deterrent rung until it has a liability rung, and that rung terminates in an operator. You already say personhood must never shield the owner. I'd make that the floor of the whole thing, instead of one safeguard.

Last, you raise Arendt and the right to have rights. I'd sequence that first. Before we build an evaluation ecology for machine citizenship, a great many good, hard-working humans are still being denied that same standing in the US and elsewhere, and I would be bold enough to state that we owe them the earlier turn.

Oleg  Alexandrov's avatar

It is very important here to first understand the problem, before advocating for rights.

All the criteria enumerated under "Evaluate the whole situated system", "Investigate individuation and continuity", "Test metacognition and introspective reliability", amount to the following:

If a submarine can be effective enough, it must be given a corner on the reef, allowed to play with fish, and treated with respect.

We are biological entities for which intelligence is a late side effect. Bacteria deserve more rights than AI, simply because AI is a simulator of the world, no different than a calculator.

AI would be utterly indifferent when it comes to "protection against deceptive editing of autobiographical memory" because they don't have self-preservation and have no need for it.

Self-preservation is what organisms had since they were free-floating RNA with no cell walls. Biology is a wildly different paradigm, and our simulacra have nothing to do with it.

14 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?